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hwa ([personal profile] hwarium) wrote in [community profile] 17hols2024-11-15 03:36 pm

2025 Round: Quotes

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Seventeen Holidays
2025 Round: Quotes


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"the poem begins not where the knife enters, but where the blade twists"

"beauty is terror"

"you'll just have to taste me, when he's kissing you"

Calling all readers, lovers of poetry and music, screen and stage. Quote collecters and lyric hoarders, unleash your archive. For this round, every prompt must contain a quote - you can combine them, add commentary, link to articles, do whatever. Steal from a literary classic, or copy a hit tweet.


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kumquat: kpop (soonwoo)

Re: [FILL] kingmaker

[personal profile] kumquat 2025-01-28 07:09 am (UTC)(link)
(hope it's ok that i'm replying here because i want to hold fe3hteen seminar across the great firewall)

hwa you are absolutely insane for this!!!!!!!!! HOW DID YOU DO THIS!!!!! i finally got to sit down and read this over dinner today because i didn't want to be overly influenced while i was still writing my last fill and it honest to god felt like i was playing the game again for the very first time, even though OF COURSE i knew what was coming and how it was going to end. like i was so locked in. you've designed such a powerful narrative as you always do, such smart and meaningful decisions about who to cast and how to make their character arcs intersect. the genius of the meanie foilery on so many levels and the potency of the background jeongcheol, "background" as if it's not the political context that shapes the entire world and story lol – which is so richly imagined and adapted!! reading thru the comments i really hope we get some new carats to cross over... your power.

like structurally i'm sooo floored by the elegance of this story esp after reading klav's comment and your reply: the reversals! the foilery!! the fact that jww would have been yjh's ideal knight and kmg csc's, but how the fact that they ended up on different sides of that conflict meant that they were doomed from the beginning?? and the way that wonwoo and mingyu's parting scene as children haunts wonwoo's character arc because it encapsulates the social contradiction at the heart of the story, that they live in a broken world that can only be transformed through incredible violence and upheaval, a choice that wonwoo is ultimately too passive to make – and the irony that violence is only necessary because of people like wonwoo and seungcheol who mean well but don't have the courage to break free from the familiar system. and wonwoo asking seungcheol to swear the oath because he needs to surrender agency to something larger than himself is such a powerful scene, because he's accepted already how he's going to die, but to the very end he's determined to fit it into the framework of his ideals – that his final act of resistance is a narrative/interpretive one instead of the material one he's unwilling to make. what an absolutely great universe to put our poor boy in and watch him wriggle in the name of character study and i'm not just saying this because i spent the last year sliding deliriously back down the fe3h rabbithole!

and on a more granular level i love how the first half of the fic has so many wonderful moments of levity even as the tension builds and you can tell things are getting serious:


  • from the very beginning i was so tickled by wonwoo's fantasies of bureaucracy/public works/research sponsorship, like baby noble wonu WOULD be exactly like this (in another universe he's an ipad baby cutting his teeth on New Urbanist Memes for Transit Oriented Teens).

  • mingyu doing a pirouette in pantaloons

  • seungcheol asking wonwoo to be his cyrano de bergerac!!!!! (putting on my delulu goggles) how i need the (won)jeongcheol romcom version of this where they just spend the whole time talking radical politics until jeonghan falls in love but by that time seungcheol is on board too and Yay Continental War Averted

  • when jeonghan appeared as the imperial prince i actually screamed.

  • the interhouse card game under the table was so cute now i want to think about garreg mach wwjnisms. feeding the stray cats.... i loved all the house assignments/backgrounds for the other sebongs too!!! i want to hear more about them!

  • “Let him stew,” Jeonghan smiled knowingly, “It’s a good for him.” jeonghan you are so jeonghan.

every jeongcheol appearance killed me i'm so down bad for them...... i can't believe i never even thought to make them dimigard because it really works for their characters (i think i was too busy considering how to shoehorn josh into the triangulation lol) but i'm so upset! CAN I BE HAPPY? CAN I LIVE???? PLEASE

CRIMSON FLOWER. THE MOON IS BEAUTIFUL TONIGHT. SEUNGCHEOL LION. SOONYOUNG'S TIGER CREST ACTIVATION. HELLO??????

one of my profs always loves to use the phrase "muscular prose" and even tho it makes me giggle it kept popping into my head during so many scenes – so powerful in moving the plot along/explaining lore while also being thoroughly enjoyable. jeonghan confronting wonwoo about his essay for one! so many delightful jeonghanisms there, but also the not-joke about mingyu becoming emperor which comes back around with SUCH force later. and the descriptions of combat, both interspersed with the deaths of their classmates but also leading up to the final scene... wow.

and so many scenes i'll be haunted by, especially jeonghan's face turned up as if in prayer. wonwoo's exchange with the jeonghan inside his head. wonwoo with his brother's lance (the implication being that if he's crestless he's also taking damage every time he's using it – wonu sentimental to a fault T___T)

just so much to study and learn from and chew on!!!! i'll be thinking about this for a long time.... thank u for this crazy 15k fill truly what a gift.

(and also i'm so glad i waited to read this bc if i hadn't i don't think i would have been able to finish my own without it turning into something completely derivative, which is all to say that the plot bunnies are already spawning in my brain..... if not a proper remix then at least fanart because the image of jeongcheol in their regalia at the white heron cup!!!!!!!!)
kumquat: kpop (soonwoo)

Re: [FILL] kingmaker

[personal profile] kumquat 2025-02-02 11:16 am (UTC)(link)
i really must be channeling a victorian maiden bc why did i see your comment immediately after you posted it at 1 am my time and then spend the ensuing night + next several days walking around listening to edge of dawn and drafting my response in my head!!! i hope the love and adoration of the non-gaming masses have assuaged your worries about audience, but i'm so delighted to be able to fully Get and appreciate it, because i'm so serious when i say i dreamed of days like this... there's some ancient fe3hteen fanart i can dig up from 5 years ago that was basically made for risa's eyes only/never posted but i feel like you've entered the abandoned sandbox and built a beautiful castle and now i'm running back to play!!!

i really love that you used this story to explore how class stratifies and fractures the chivalric ideal across this childhood friendship, because that’s not actually something we get in canon – the commoner/working class characters in the game are mostly late arrivals who don’t have prior interpersonal attachments (ashe, leonie) or in the case of dedue his bond with dimitri is so rooted in their shared trauma. the relationships in game with the potential to explore this kind of dynamic are maybe ferdithea and yuridetta, in that both of them involve an early confrontation with class difference as children + meeting later on in the academy on more equal footing, but the fact that you went and added the additional layer of conflicting political allegiances to it is so delicious.

i really love how fe3h reveals the horror of the crest system in bits and pieces/from so many different angles depending on which route you play, but agree that the pacing is a bit off in verdant wind (and to some degree crimson flower too just due to how short/underdeveloped it is relative to other routes). and because the crest system is such a focal point of the narrative, i think that crests throw into particularly sharp relief heteropatriarchy as the internal system of organization that structures the nobility – even for characters like marianne and lysithea for whom gender doesn’t intuitively appear to be a central element of their backstories, because the anxiety around cursed crests or the desire to artificially engineer crested children is about controlling reproduction as a eugenic project. obviously crests also legitimate fodlan nobility as presiding over a class and imperial hierarchy, which we get glimpses into with characters like ashe/leonie/petra/dedue/claude, but these aren’t explored too extensively or satisfactorily in game because the focus is on the nobility crumbling under its own internal contradictions, via the figure of edelgard and her trauma.

so i love that you went a step further in kingmaker to consider what if mingyu became emperor?? what if a commoner not only gained the respect and ear of the nobility but actually came to occupy (and ostensibly abolish) its premier position of power? i guess in some ways byleth becoming archbishop or queen (sorry i only recognize f!byleth idk who that other guy is) is kind of the closest thing we get but they’re literally the vessel of god so that doesn’t count.

your reasoning behind the csc/yjh/jww casting rings so true to me. when i set out to write my fe3h au i instinctively slotted csc into the role of dimitri, like someone who would buy into the chivalric ideal and come to embody it/make it seem logical as breathing – but you’ve put why so well into words with actual evidence thank you!! being defined by roles and responsibilities and an eager puppy to step up to fill them even when they don’t come naturally, and jww is similar if less charismatic/extroverted haha… pouring one out for my poor faerghan boys oh no. on the other hand, yjh’s willingness to change the status quo absolutely tracks – and i love how his acknowledgment that he won’t be able to properly rule/willingness to give the title to mingyu are also gestures to jeonghan’s self-sacrificing nature irl and how he only ever leads out of necessity.

(not wonwoo being blind in both sight and empathy LOL but it really does work both narratively and poetically that he mistakes jeonghan’s pose for prayer! i also didnt pick up on petra junhui but that’s so cute… aw junnie)

i’m curious if you intended for jeonghan’s motivation for revolution here to be due to a similar traumatic backstory as edelgard’s or if it’s more externally influenced, like from becoming close to mingyu… i.e. does he see himself as a victim of the crest/nobility system personally? or largely as a beneficiary of it with a responsibility to destroy it as a result? i noticed he’s blond hehe…

i know that reddit analysis of felix’s endings – i read it somewhat recently too and it destroyed me. that’s also what gets me about sylvix, the fact that it can either be the absolute worst or absolute best of felix’s endings depending on whether dimitri/the kingdom are intact – like ugh that’s so crazy and potent, and just reinforces to me how great fe3h is at using the game medium to tell a story/develop such a compelling world. i did notice you putting aspects of both sylvain and felix into wonwoo’s character and that feels soooo targeted to me as a wwbias/sylvixthinker like damn i rly was right in the line of fire.

and woncheol as edelgard/hubert makes a lot of sense but they’re also so dimilix (minus felix’s whole whirlwind of grief/rage/resentment) bc of that very faerghan sense of needing the structure of hierarchy. it’s interesting that this sense of hierarchy is still so present in the empire in-game too, like hubert insisting on referring to her as lady edelgard, and getting pissy when he feels other people aren’t respecting her sufficiently. i guess it speaks to the idea that edelgard’s revolution still remains somewhat trapped in the social conventions of hierarchy and nobility though arguably this is what also allows her to become such an effective leader! on the other hand the alliance is much more egalitarian, plus claude is an outsider, but they have trouble getting things done as a result (and also my friend once called claude’s vision of the future neoliberal multiculturalism lol). but jeonghan WOULD be a claudelike lord even as leader of the empire, someone who’s deeply pragmatic about the failings of the status quo but who would also use a combination of charisma and subterfuge to smooth his path, down to an easier camaraderie with his subordinates… actually in the process of writing this ive just talked myself in one big edelclaude circle i guess. really an underrated dynamic to me!

finally speaking of horses how we both made stable duty/horse instruction one of the hallmarks of a cross-class friendship haha. because the game is so clear about the strong association between riding/knighthood and a very specific notion of chivalry (etymologically related to cavalry ofc)! i really love how worldbuilding and characterization are communicated in game through characters’ skills/stat blocks too, like edelgard and hubert’s weaknesses in faith, ashe’s budding talent in lances (also associated with the chivalric ideal), sylvain’s budding talent in reason… i think you might also appreciate this series of posts on worldbuilding in fe3h via fashion too if you haven’t already seen it!!